Why didn't Henge of Denravi make it as a city? - Guild Wars Forums

ischuros · Dec 09, 2006, 03:30 PM // 15:30

In Tyria there are four 'cities', but only three of these are really cities. Lion's Arch, Ascalon City and Droknar's Forge are all big trading outposts and could be properly classed as cities. Henge of Denravi, meanqhile, never got it's true status as a city. In-game it was, it is as big as the other three, with all the services. Was it position, or merely aesthetics that failed Denravi, and what, in your opinions, is the reason why it didn't become a major trading outpost?

lacasner · Dec 09, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32

You can make the same case for amnoon oasis I think, but really I am not sure.

Bankai · Dec 09, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35

It's mainly because Maguuma is just empty. There's a total of 3/4 quests and 2 mission I think. There's no reason at all to go there.

Plus, a lot of people skip it by getting a run to sanctum cay.

lacasner · Dec 09, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36

I wish that Anet made it so every area had some endgame content or cool features, so that in tyria not all people just go to droks or ROF and stay there. I want some openendedness!!

RSGashapon · Dec 09, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Because Wal-mart didn't determine them to be viable locations for a Supercenter?

Going by game lore though, it may have had to do with population densities or trade routes that doomed HoD and Amnoon to be rather bleak places not fit for urban development. Denravi is out in the middle of a jungle and Amnoon is in a parched desert. Not exactly key living areas, when Lion's Arch is a coastal city which leads itself to a natural trading area (and not just for ingame goodies, that'd be the case if it were a real world location).

Angel Develin · Dec 09, 2006, 03:42 PM // 15:42

Ascalon is the first place where a new character go to start a game so it's good for trades.
Lion's arch is the place that teleport ppl to other places like kamadan or kaining so it's also a good place to do trade or hang out or run ppl.
Droknaar is where ppl can buy max armor so it is a good place for runners/buyer/sellers, and it's the last big city.
Henge of Denravi is a town where you do not stay long in there, you just fallow the story line again and it's "destroyed" in zhe war

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Amnoon is a ghost town so i gues you have to be a ghost to like to stay there :P .

stiffler · Dec 09, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45

They really need to add something to Henge to get some life back over there. A new elite mission for Tyria would be nice, why not put the portal at HoD.

Glitched · Dec 09, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by stiffler

They really need to add something to Henge to get some life back over there. A new elite mission for Tyria would be nice, why not put the portal at HoD.

An elite mission in the jungle would be awesome, but I'm afraid Tyria will never be touched by anything more than a minor bug fix.

Loralai · Dec 09, 2006, 03:59 PM // 15:59

HoD is one of those places I curse when I'm there. Nothing is in a viable spot to facilitate trade, especially the Xunlai, which is generally the heart of any popular GW trade outpost.

Former Ruling · Dec 09, 2006, 07:33 PM // 19:33

The fact is The Jungle itself is empty - making it empty too.

Most people going through the game again don't even visit the Jungle because its quite easy just to go south from ToA and go directly to Sanctum Cay and the desert.

The other cities are obvious trade hubs because of their positioning.

gamecube187 · Dec 09, 2006, 10:39 PM // 22:39

I think that Denravi is abandoned for basically the same reason that few people seem to go to amnoon oasis. You don't have to go to either of those places to get to where the max armor is, because of things like running. Also, you don't have to go to those two places to get to the end game content either (southern shiverpeaks and fire islands).

The only reason to go to those two places is if you want to get the protector title, go to every town in proph, or want to do every quest.

Now ascalon, you have to go there if you are a proph character. For LA, you have to go there if you want to go to another chapter or are comming from another chapter. Droks is the first place with max armor, but now that you can get max armor earlier and easier (by going to another chapter), Droks is often deserted too.

Faer · Dec 09, 2006, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by gamecube187

Also, you don't have to go to those two places to get to the end game content either (southern shiverpeaks and fire islands).

The only reason to go to those two places is if you want to get the protector title, go to every town in proph, or want to do every quest.

Don't forget though, you do have to pass through Amnoon if you wish to Ascend, get your last 30 attribute points, and cap certain elite skills.

But that's all it really is... Just another minor stop in the long road to nowhere...

jimmy_logic · Dec 10, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Hehehe... you can say those things about real life towns and cities. Some places you just drive through and don't stop.

Samuel Anders · Dec 10, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57

I think Amnoon Oasis and Henge of Denravi aren't decent places for cities because the Xunlai Agents are farther away from the traders. Checking the current prices of stuff in your storage is a royal pain in those cities.

It's still a royal pain to do it in Drok's, too, but at least you can buy elite armor there, so everyone needs to buy items, anyway.

Haggard · Dec 10, 2006, 02:12 AM // 02:12

I'm suprised that as many people still trade in these places - everyone's kind of moved on from droknars armour and such with the new games..

lacasner · Dec 10, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Still, a lot of people like the skins there, such as wyvern or "ass"calon armor lol

Antheus · Dec 10, 2006, 03:18 AM // 03:18

Lion's Arch served as an entry point to PvP arenas (before the isles). It was the first place to offer sigs of capture. It had very strong historic meaning from beta events. It was the non-noob city compared to Ascalon. And it served as primary staging area for all the events.

In desert, the central city is the augury rock. It's tied to ascenscion, and is the end-point of all 3 missions, and a popular farming place (although much less). The Oasis is merely a transition point when entering the desert.

Droks is obviously the max armor, but also the ending point of several quest arcs. Since it's primary function is for armor, material trade evolved there. It's also a convenient runner's stopping point, either from Beacon's, or towards other shiverpeaks areas. Then, there is, or was Troll farming.

In Maguuma, the only place frequented is the Ventari's Refuge. While not really busy, it does have its moments, mostly due to converging point of several quests.

But back to Denravi. One of major issues with Denravi is, that's it's an endpoint, not a hub. Continuing the storyline there teleports you into next area. As such, there's no possibility to run around, and that pushed most of the activity beyond Denravi. Another reason is that another hub wasn't needed, especially not one in such a transitional location. Denravi cannot be reached by runners between ToA and Sanctum Kay, so only way to get there is all around through the jungle.. This alone excluded Denravi from developing. LA and Droks didn't suffer from this, since they are at crucial crossroads in game. If the passage from Riverside to Denravi were runnable, the city would develop.

xxSilhouette · Dec 10, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38

Well ascalon is obviously big beacuse its the first city, LA is a main point IMO, since they have the halloween events there, and since its the first place you can go when you take a elonian or canthan character to tyria, and drokners was always big beacuse of max armor.

There was nothing ever really significant about henge, no special armor there, no special anything their really. Its a pretty town though.

Shaden · Dec 10, 2006, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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Originally Posted by xxSilhouette

Well ascalon is obviously big beacuse its the first city, LA is a main point IMO, since they have the halloween events there, and since its the first place you can go when you take a elonian or canthan character to tyria, and drokners was always big beacuse of max armor.

There was nothing ever really significant about henge, no special armor there, no special anything their really. Its a pretty town though.

Actually, there is that helm you can obtain here from the armor trader. So, it is special, but only slightly. But yes, those are pretty much the reasons it never fully developed. To bad Maguuma areas are my favorite places in Prophecies, it's quite lonely.

Age · Dec 10, 2006, 03:51 AM // 03:51

There is one special piece of armour you can get at Henge and that is the LT. Halmet as well as there use to be a certain sword you could get.The amour at Henge isn't bad but Amnoon is better as I bought my Rangers armour there and used it all the way through the game.Droks is just central city where other do trade as well as to set out to farm.I do go to Henge once in awhile but not much is happening there it could be good place to have meeting with friends or an RP event.

Dec 09, 2006, 03:30 PM // 15:30	#1
ischuros Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ireland Profession: N/Me	Why didn't Henge of Denravi make it as a city? In Tyria there are four 'cities', but only three of these are really cities. Lion's Arch, Ascalon City and Droknar's Forge are all big trading outposts and could be properly classed as cities. Henge of Denravi, meanqhile, never got it's true status as a city. In-game it was, it is as big as the other three, with all the services. Was it position, or merely aesthetics that failed Denravi, and what, in your opinions, is the reason why it didn't become a major trading outpost?

Dec 09, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32	#2
lacasner Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006	You can make the same case for amnoon oasis I think, but really I am not sure.

Dec 09, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35	#3
Bankai Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2006 Guild: Bubblegum Dragons Profession: Mo/E	It's mainly because Maguuma is just empty. There's a total of 3/4 quests and 2 mission I think. There's no reason at all to go there. Plus, a lot of people skip it by getting a run to sanctum cay.

Dec 09, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36	#4
lacasner Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006	I wish that Anet made it so every area had some endgame content or cool features, so that in tyria not all people just go to droks or ROF and stay there. I want some openendedness!!

Dec 09, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40	#5
RSGashapon Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sol 3 Profession: R/	Because Wal-mart didn't determine them to be viable locations for a Supercenter? Going by game lore though, it may have had to do with population densities or trade routes that doomed HoD and Amnoon to be rather bleak places not fit for urban development. Denravi is out in the middle of a jungle and Amnoon is in a parched desert. Not exactly key living areas, when Lion's Arch is a coastal city which leads itself to a natural trading area (and not just for ingame goodies, that'd be the case if it were a real world location).

Dec 09, 2006, 03:42 PM // 15:42	#6
Angel Develin Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lions Arch Guild: Minions of Kronos Profession: N/Me	Ascalon is the first place where a new character go to start a game so it's good for trades. Lion's arch is the place that teleport ppl to other places like kamadan or kaining so it's also a good place to do trade or hang out or run ppl. Droknaar is where ppl can buy max armor so it is a good place for runners/buyer/sellers, and it's the last big city. Henge of Denravi is a town where you do not stay long in there, you just fallow the story line again and it's "destroyed" in zhe war . Amnoon is a ghost town so i gues you have to be a ghost to like to stay there :P .

Dec 09, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45	#7
stiffler Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South Australia Guild: [ToR] Profession: R/	They really need to add something to Henge to get some life back over there. A new elite mission for Tyria would be nice, why not put the portal at HoD.

Dec 09, 2006, 03:59 PM // 15:59	#9
Loralai Purveyor of Useless Info Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Perpetual Motion Squad [PMS] Profession: Mo/	HoD is one of those places I curse when I'm there. Nothing is in a viable spot to facilitate trade, especially the Xunlai, which is generally the heart of any popular GW trade outpost.

Dec 09, 2006, 07:33 PM // 19:33	#10
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	The fact is The Jungle itself is empty - making it empty too. Most people going through the game again don't even visit the Jungle because its quite easy just to go south from ToA and go directly to Sanctum Cay and the desert. The other cities are obvious trade hubs because of their positioning.

Dec 09, 2006, 10:39 PM // 22:39	#11
gamecube187 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2006	I think that Denravi is abandoned for basically the same reason that few people seem to go to amnoon oasis. You don't have to go to either of those places to get to where the max armor is, because of things like running. Also, you don't have to go to those two places to get to the end game content either (southern shiverpeaks and fire islands). The only reason to go to those two places is if you want to get the protector title, go to every town in proph, or want to do every quest. Now ascalon, you have to go there if you are a proph character. For LA, you have to go there if you want to go to another chapter or are comming from another chapter. Droks is the first place with max armor, but now that you can get max armor earlier and easier (by going to another chapter), Droks is often deserted too.

Dec 10, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17	#13
jimmy_logic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: R/	Hehehe... you can say those things about real life towns and cities. Some places you just drive through and don't stop.

Dec 10, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57	#14
Samuel Anders Academy Page Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: Me/E	I think Amnoon Oasis and Henge of Denravi aren't decent places for cities because the Xunlai Agents are farther away from the traders. Checking the current prices of stuff in your storage is a royal pain in those cities. It's still a royal pain to do it in Drok's, too, but at least you can buy elite armor there, so everyone needs to buy items, anyway.

Dec 10, 2006, 02:12 AM // 02:12	#15
Haggard Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Urmston, Manchester, UK Guild: Greener Pastures [DVDF] Profession: W/Rt	I'm suprised that as many people still trade in these places - everyone's kind of moved on from droknars armour and such with the new games..

Dec 10, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12	#16
lacasner Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006	Still, a lot of people like the skins there, such as wyvern or "ass"calon armor lol

Dec 10, 2006, 03:18 AM // 03:18	#17
Antheus Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006	Lion's Arch served as an entry point to PvP arenas (before the isles). It was the first place to offer sigs of capture. It had very strong historic meaning from beta events. It was the non-noob city compared to Ascalon. And it served as primary staging area for all the events. In desert, the central city is the augury rock. It's tied to ascenscion, and is the end-point of all 3 missions, and a popular farming place (although much less). The Oasis is merely a transition point when entering the desert. Droks is obviously the max armor, but also the ending point of several quest arcs. Since it's primary function is for armor, material trade evolved there. It's also a convenient runner's stopping point, either from Beacon's, or towards other shiverpeaks areas. Then, there is, or was Troll farming. In Maguuma, the only place frequented is the Ventari's Refuge. While not really busy, it does have its moments, mostly due to converging point of several quests. But back to Denravi. One of major issues with Denravi is, that's it's an endpoint, not a hub. Continuing the storyline there teleports you into next area. As such, there's no possibility to run around, and that pushed most of the activity beyond Denravi. Another reason is that another hub wasn't needed, especially not one in such a transitional location. Denravi cannot be reached by runners between ToA and Sanctum Kay, so only way to get there is all around through the jungle.. This alone excluded Denravi from developing. LA and Droks didn't suffer from this, since they are at crucial crossroads in game. If the passage from Riverside to Denravi were runnable, the city would develop.

Dec 10, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38	#18
xxSilhouette Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lost in the sands of time... Guild: Blood Of Orr [BoO] Profession: R/Rt	Well ascalon is obviously big beacuse its the first city, LA is a main point IMO, since they have the halloween events there, and since its the first place you can go when you take a elonian or canthan character to tyria, and drokners was always big beacuse of max armor. There was nothing ever really significant about henge, no special armor there, no special anything their really. Its a pretty town though.

Dec 10, 2006, 03:51 AM // 03:51	#20
Age Hall Hero Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California Canada/BC Guild: STG Administrator Profession: Mo/	There is one special piece of armour you can get at Henge and that is the LT. Halmet as well as there use to be a certain sword you could get.The amour at Henge isn't bad but Amnoon is better as I bought my Rangers armour there and used it all the way through the game.Droks is just central city where other do trade as well as to set out to farm.I do go to Henge once in awhile but not much is happening there it could be good place to have meeting with friends or an RP event.